Miasmatic Review

Serving your country in some form or fashion, yes. Mandatory MILITARY service? No. Part of what makes our military great is that those who go in pretty much really want to be there. Having been in the military I remember those who were there who realized they had made the wrong choice, and did nothing but bitch and moan, bringing down the morale of everyone. Having it full of a bunch of whiners like that won't serve anyone's purpose.

Mrs. Who has a point. Also, I think that those who are wealthy and connected will still get out of it.

Yeah, that has always been the #1 argument against mandatory service, and I agree with it.
If you have soldiers that don't give a shit, they're gonna fight like they don't give a shit.

Mandatory military service is a polite and politically correct word for draft.

I wouldn't want the juvinile deliquents in my hood being forced into the miliary to "protect" me, it would scare the living hell out of me.

And arn't the dictator countries the only other countries that demand a stint in the military?

Free citizenship to anyone willing to serve 4 years in the service. :)

No mandatory service - that's called a DRAFT. Voluntary Service only.

I *would* support mandatory work in a service industry - waiting tables, tending bar, slinging cocktails or doing dishes. Everyone should experience dealing with Joe Public in a service capacity.

QW- I believe that Taiwan and Israel still require it of their youth.

QW, there are alot of countries that have mandatory military service... only few of them might be considered dictatorships: Albania, Austria, Belarus, Bermuda, Brazil, Bulgaria, Chile, China (PRC), Cyprus, Denmark, Egypt, Finland, Germany, Greece, Iran, Israel, Korea, South, Malaysia, Mexico, Norway, Poland, Russia, Serbia, Singapore, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan (ROC), Turkey, and Ukraine.

While I don't entirely agree with mandatory service, I also don't think it would hurt too much. Most countries that implement it ask for about one to three years... some even less. And not all of them ask for immediate service, they just say that between the ages of "" and "" so much time must be served.

It would do some folks good. And it may help to keep dumbasses from running their sucks about shit of which they know nothing, if they had firsthand experience.

Some of these countries' peeps are actually proud to do their service. Imagine that...

'Course, as Bou stated, those with money and connections would slide out of it.

And there is the point that Shadoglare made. And thanks to our new user friendly military, those idiots cannot be properly dealt with...

I'm not in favor of peacetime conscription (i.e., mandatory military service).

But I would support mandatory military training.

So, who pays for this little plan? If you bring in all these people to serve, they you must have facilities for them... It "sounds" like a good idea until you start thinking of the logistics. Everytime I hear one of these plans I give it the Who, What, When, Where, and Why test.

Who are you going to pull in, what are you going to do with them, where are you going to put them, and why is this a good idea?

Bill and Hill closed many bases - which have now been converted to civilian use - where are you going to put the extra people? Where will they be trained, housed, fed? What military hospital facilities will take care of them when they get sick? Who is going to coordinate this plan? And with our military budget already a source of derision... where is the money going to come from? This is a "millions of extra people" plan - not just a few thousand.

Who is going to train them? You'll have to pull in more active duty people into training - which takes them away from the vital jobs they are doing now. Who takes over for those pulled out to train the green recruits that will only stay a short time in the military... about long enough for the training and then they leave.

Yet another feel good plan with no thought behind it except that "it would be a good thing". I don't see it. If we had a framework in place to deal with this, I could see it - but this is a MUCH larger country than any of the others that have mandatory service - which makes it far more difficult to implement than any other country. And we have always been a country that considers it essential to give people the option of doing or not doing. We have the worst problems when we have a conscripted Army.

This is a short version of all the bad things about the plan. The only good thing... you make people serve for a period of time and maybe they get something out of it. Is this a fair trade off for all the rest?

how about some form of "service" period - as a teacher, police officer, fire fighter or the guy who picks up trash on the highway. Some kind of volunteerism that connects them to the country and serves the nation. I firmly believe that not everyone should be a soldier/sailor/marine/airman, but I do think that service to the country makes for better citizenry because they earned it.

I've linked back to you here: http://consul-at-arms.blogspot.com/2007/11/re-mandatory-service.html

The thing about mandatory service schemes for civilian fields is that what you end up with is underpaid involuntary servitude that the rest of the public gets quickly accustomed to.

So salaries in all those fields where there is suddenly lots of "free" labor are artificially depressed.

How this is supposed to make young people more prone to volunteerism and civic-mindedness continues to escape me.

I don't know forcing someone to be a teacher or doing public service is a good idea. The point the guest was trying to make regarding Mandatory Military service was that it was supposed to help support the military, give the citizenry more appreciation of the military and to make people more accountable for what is happening in our country.

As ex-law enforcement I can see where you are coming from, but I don't know if we'd want someone to be a teacher that really isn't qualified. As for picking up trash on the side of the highways, I think we have prisons full of that kind of free labor.

I don't think it's going to make people appreciate the military just because they were forced to be in it.

If you don't appreciate something, being forced to do it is going to make you hate it that much more.

Take those hippies from the Vietnam error, when forced to be in the miliary (draft) they all tried their dammest to find a way out of going.

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